Woven Wheat Whispers Shuts Down

July 10th, 2008 | music

Woven Wheat Whispers, a music download service for broadly-defined folk music, appears to have shut itself down while I’ve been away. I discovered them via the excellent double CD of "dark folk," JOHN BARLEYCORN REBORN. There was all kinds of weird and wonderful stuff on that site, and not all of it fit the classic definition of British folk (a bloke with a pewter tankard hanging off his belt and his little finger stuck in his ear). Co-founder Mark Coyle, commenting on Mudcat, doesn’t have the expected explanation for an indie music download service closing:

We didn’t have to close WWW, it was paying it’s way and no money was lost. It was just a decision about the future taken calmly at a point where we had time to think… It was meant to be fun and would have turned into slog at some point in the near future.

As for the site closing, it’s not an issue about downloads per se. sales were soaring last year, but as the catalogue got bigger it got more daunting to search around it. There was a huge amount of traditional, folk-rock, Ceilidh, nautical folk that people here probably didn’t realise sat alongside the other material. But if people aren’t looking then there’s little we can do…

Folk music fans often seem to follow artists they already know. As has been observed there are lots of factors. However don’t think the site was a failure, we achieved what we aimed to do. It’s just that taking it on further required a step change it wasn’t worth making.

We could have continued and would have done alright, but with Myspace starting to sell downloads, Amazon coming in and iTunes level of market dominance, there was little point. Even CDBaby now sell downloads alongside the CD. Exiting in a positive way seemed the best thing to do at the right time.

WWW didn’t collapse, we have all the money needed. It was a decision taken about how far to push what was a small home operation delivered in my spare time.

I know that’s a hefty set of quotes, but I wanted to capture exactly what’s happening. And I find it kind of interesting. Coyle seems to be saying that, to continue along its growth curve and fulfil its mandate to introduce interesting new musics to new audiences, it would have become a full-time job — and he wasn’t up for that. Especially with MySpace, shiTunes, Amazon and even CDBaby looming over him. He just quit while he was happy.

Someone at the top of the thread does say:

sales for May this year, for example, were considerably lower than sales for the
same month a year ago, despite there being an increase in the number of users
and a stronger catalogue

and while one assumes he’s affiliated with the site in some way, it goes against Coyle’s claim, and in any case could be partly explained away by the retail index being down all over. Online sales aren’t immune to petrol and food costing more than they did a year ago.

What’s interesting to me is that there’s a suggestion that Coyle was actually a little too effective with his part-time job. He created a community, a service, and a retail operation that paid its own costs, proved it could work, and only shut it down because taking on the bigger paid-download space was going to be a full-time job. That is, in its way, kind of heartening.

I imagine there’s a lot of people out there right now who have been wondering if they can put a successful online face on their scene, their music, their community, and actually grind out some space between the corporate monoliths. Woven Wheat Whispers says you can.

Now, of course, I have to find somewhere else to buy the Shibboleth albums I don’t yet have, and to track the work of Sedayne and Clive Powell.

Comments are closed.

  1. But you may discuss this topic in the Whitechapel Forum.

Coilhouse is Hiring! Apply Here.

Coilhouse - 08 Feb 10

Back around the time of Issue 03, we launched the Small Business Advertising Program to create affordable ad space for indie companies in the print version of Coilhouse. By the time Issue 04 rolled around, the number of advertisers had grown significantly – by this time, we had record labels, jewelry and clothing designers, sculptors, other magazines, web hosts, toy makers and graphic designers advertising in our pages. Click here to see them all. With editorial duties taking up more and more of our time as the weeks go by, the moment has come for us to seek help with the advertising side of running the magazine. We’re looking to hire an Ad Manager for our Small Business Advertising Program, starting with Coilhouse Magazine #05… and possibly subsequent issues.

Full details after the jump!


Read the rest of Coilhouse is Hiring! Apply Here.


Post tags: Coilhouse

Untitled Post

blissblog - 08 Feb 10

Untitled Post

blissblog - 08 Feb 10

Untitled Post

blissblog - 08 Feb 10

State of South Carolina Secretary of State Subversive Agent Form

jwz - 08 Feb 10

Check the appropriate box. Do you or your organization directly or indirectly advocate, advise, teach or practice the duty or necessity of controlling, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, the state of South Carolina or any political division thereof?
[ ] YES [ ] NO

If yes, please outline the fundamental beliefs. If applicable, attach a copy of the bylaws or minutes of meetings from the last year.

"Inflection Points" Presentation

Open The Future - 08 Feb 10

For those folks who are interested, here's the Slideshare version of the presentation I gave last week at the Earthquake Engineering Research Institute annual meeting. I was asked to talk about foresight thinking, as the event theme was "The Big One of 2056: What Went Right?" a look at a fictional 7.8 quake in the SF region that was handled as well as they could imagine possible.

My goal was to offer a bit of reassurance to the audience that there is some real utility to thinking about the future, and to spell out (in a cursory way) the kinds of big picture issues they should keep in mind while looking ahead forty-six years.

By and large, it was a successful talk. The post-talk questions were engaged, with little push-back, and I'm told that the overall response from the audience was quite positive.

The talk was video recorded, and I'm told will eventually be available to the public. I'll link when that happens.

CAN GIFTING ECONOMIES SCALE?

John Robb - 08 Feb 10

A gifting economy is different from a barter or market economy in that valuable items are given away to those that need them, without any quid pro quo, exchange, or payment.  Gifting economics (lots of great papers on this topic) were/are the economic heartbeat of hunter-gatherer tribal cultures, the social organization where we spent 99% of our time as homo sapiens sapiens.  Barter was, in contrast, a mechanism for economic interactions between tribes.  

This gifting economic system wasn't based on pure altruism.  It did have an enforcement mechanism to ensure compliance with the system over the longer term.  On the positive side, there was an intangible increase in the social status (using personal or societal metrics) of a tribal member that gifted an item.  On the negative, a failure to offer hospitality or gifts to those in need was considered a mortal slight that could incite violence or expulsion from the tribe.

There were also a considerable number of drivers for gifting at the tribal level.  Here are some:

  • The survival of the tribe, as a group, was more important than the survival of any individual.  However, the loss of any individual could put the tribe at risk.
  • The generation of surplus and innovation was highly uncertain.  Sharing reduced that uncertainty to manageable levels.
  • Sharing reduced internal friction that could put the tribe at risk.

Scalability

It's pretty clear that the societal drivers of tribal gifting economics and the mechanisms of enforcement didn't survive the transition to a global social system composed of billions of members.   Simply, the connections between any two individuals (outside of immediate familial relationships) are too abstract for these drivers and enforcement mechanisms to be relevant.   As a result, market based mechanisms for economic interaction have gained dominance.

However, the ongoing shift of the global market-based economy from a trade in rival goods (tangible items that invoke zero sum economics) to digital non-rival goods (items that can be copied at no expense or diminishment, endlessly) provides a window of opportunity.  It may be possible to revive gifting economics for non-rival goods to amazing beneficial effect.   Some ideas on how this could scale:

  • Automated reputation metrics that enhance social status based on contributions.
  • Mechanisms built using MMO gaming as a way to tie successful gifting to status improvement (leveling) or an ability to attract investment.
  • The creation of an inside/outside barrier that separates a gifting economy from the global economic mainstream.   Automated mutual interdependence (see my friend Bruce Sterling's absolutely brilliant story on this:  "Maneki Neko").

Latest on SNOW

Jean Snow - 08 Feb 10

Latest on SNOW

So what’s the latest on SNOW? I guess two new developments art that I added a dedicated Twitter feed, and also created a Facebook fan page. The Twitter feed is mostly just automated with new articles from the site — because some people actually prefer that over RSS feeds these days — but I do keep an eye on it, and will reply to questions and comments. The Facebook page is just another way of putting the site out there, and should be a good way of informing members of SNOW-related events as they happen.

Regular content updates have also continued over the past week, with a few new guest columns and my regular news items. Here’s a list of what you may have missed over the past few days.

Untitled Post

blissblog - 08 Feb 10

I Know It?s Over?

Kieron Gillen - 08 Feb 10